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Surface Meshing

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What's the best way to mesh this model for CFD analysis.

 

Your comments are welcome!.

 

Thanks,

Aero1

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Re: Surface Meshing

Solution Partner Phenom Solution Partner Phenom
Solution Partner Phenom

Dear Aero1,

As a rule of thumb, you need to create a solid geometry around the wing to mesh the air volume that should extend roughly 10 times the size of the wing body in every direction.

 

Also, for turbulence modelling the mesh size next to flow surfaces and adiabatic walls is important and depends on the selected turbulence model because the mean velocity increases with the wall distance. Boundary layer meshes are preferred for turbulence modeling even if you could obtain the same wall mesh size requirements using equally spaced meshes at a cost of overall number of elements.

 

BOUNDARY-LAYER-MESH.jpg

 

When creating the mesh for turbulence modeling, the first node inside the boundary layer should always be in the inner layer. Further care must be made on where the first node needs to be inside the inner layer depending on the turbulence model used, and whether or not wall functions are used.

 

The appropriate mesh size next to walls is determined by the y+ value of the centroid of the wall-adjacent control volume. FEMAP can display y+ results at element nodes, simply request it when using FEMAP TMG/Flow solver.

 

The Y+ values indicate the position of the first internal node in relation to the boundary layer. The fully turbulent region of the boundary layer is for Y+ values above 30. Although results will be more accurate with Y+ values greater than 30, the Mixing Length and k-Epsilon turbulence models in FEMAP/TMG Flow account for small Y+ values by adding a damping function on the turbulent viscosity. This damping effectively reduces the near wall turbulent viscosity, forcing it to zero as Y+ tends to zero. Because of this damping on the turbulent viscosity, the mixing length and k-Epsilon models give reasonable flow and thermal solutions even for Y+ values less than 30.

 

As a reference, the figures below illustrate an example of an ideal 3D mesh of a wing:

 

3d-mesh-wing.png

 

3d-mesh-wing2.png

 

Best regards,
Blas.

 

Blas Molero Hidalgo, Ingeniero Industrial, Director
IBERISA • 48004 BILBAO (SPAIN)
WEB: http://www.iberisa.com
Blog Femap-NX Nastran: http://iberisa.wordpress.com/

Re: Surface Meshing

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Blas, thanks for your comprehensive comments, I'll definitely take your suggestions into consideration.

 

Regards,

Aero1

Re: Surface Meshing

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Builder

Blas, I have couple of questions about your comments:

 

1- How did you configure your mesh parameters in Mesh menu to get a result like "3D-Mesh-wing2.png" snapshot?

2-To get result similar to yours, do I need to sort all the similar components (based on their shapes, sizes, curvatures,...) in different layers/groups or Femap does that automatically?

3-After I made the air volume, do I need to subtract the wing-engine model out of that volume? (to create a void volume)

 

 

Thanks,

Aero1

Re: Surface Meshing

Solution Partner Phenom Solution Partner Phenom
Solution Partner Phenom

Dear Aero1,

1.- Use 2-D mesh of type "Plot-Only" as seed mesh to control 3-D solid tetraedral mesh.

2.- FEMAP do not do things for you, the use of LAYERS is critical to manage complex assemblies with success.

3.- You need to arrive to valid solids to mesh with 3-D Solid  tetraedral elements, then the use of boolean operations is quite typical.

 

Best regards,

Blas.

Blas Molero Hidalgo, Ingeniero Industrial, Director
IBERISA • 48004 BILBAO (SPAIN)
WEB: http://www.iberisa.com
Blog Femap-NX Nastran: http://iberisa.wordpress.com/

Re: Surface Meshing

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Builder

Blas,

 

Right after I meshed the model, the original colors that I have assigned to the componants have been replaced with just two colors (light blue and transparent blue) as shown in the attached file.

What do these colors mean? How can I retrive the original colors that I had before the mesh?

 

Regards,

Aero1

Re: Surface Meshing

Solution Partner Phenom Solution Partner Phenom
Solution Partner Phenom

Dear Aero1,

When using commnd "Mesh > Mesh Control > Size on Solids" and you select more than ONE solid then FEMAP will try to detect matching surfaces with identical area. If any "pair" is found then FEMAP will create master & slaves relations between both surfaces, making the mesh size identical, and then merging of nodes could be performed with success (in case of activated) during next TET or HEX meshing task, OK?.

 

automatic-mesh-sizing.png

 

This is perfectly explained in the FEMAP manuals (remember, all are in the manuals!!)

 

automatic-mesh-sizing-surface-matching.png

 

Best regards,

Blas.

Blas Molero Hidalgo, Ingeniero Industrial, Director
IBERISA • 48004 BILBAO (SPAIN)
WEB: http://www.iberisa.com
Blog Femap-NX Nastran: http://iberisa.wordpress.com/

Re: Surface Meshing

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Builder
Got it, thank you!.

Regards,
Aero1

Re: Surface Meshing

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Hi Blas,

 

So far I've managed to prepare the model as well as the far-feild BC, what I would like to do is to start the mesh from the surface of the far-feild and stop them within a specific distance (away) from the surface of the model and then create another dense mesh from that imaginary surface to the real surface of the model, is this doable without using TMG? How? "Thanks",

 

Regards,

Aero1

 

 

Re: Surface Meshing

Solution Partner Phenom Solution Partner Phenom
Solution Partner Phenom

Hello!,

I will slice the full fluid domain in more portions (or parts) normal in the direction of the mesh transition, this way you can prescribe local element size and perform a mesh transition from local to global (do not forget to activate the "adjacement surface matching", linking is required to guarantee a continuous mesh).

 

Best regards,

Blas.

Blas Molero Hidalgo, Ingeniero Industrial, Director
IBERISA • 48004 BILBAO (SPAIN)
WEB: http://www.iberisa.com
Blog Femap-NX Nastran: http://iberisa.wordpress.com/