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SOL401 - use constant "time"/Load step !

Phenom
Phenom

To all

 

A silly question but I cannot anyting in the doc on this subject. Does SOL401 use a fixed time/load step based on StepDuration/Nb of increments? Assuming that the analysis does not cut back it seems that the step is the same even if convergence rate is good. I am sure software like abaqus will increase (if requested) the load if it can.

 

Thanks

Regards

 

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Re: SOL401 - use constant "time"/Load step !

Siemens Phenom Siemens Phenom
Siemens Phenom

If you are using NX Nastran 9 or 10, then it's not surprising that after cutting back the time step, the time step doesn't grow. Work has been done in NX Nastran 11 to address some aspects of adaptive time stepping. I suspect you aren't beta testing NX Nastran 11 though? This is an area that will get more attention in future versions.

 

Regards,

Mark

 

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Re: SOL401 - use constant "time"/Load step !

Phenom
Phenom

Thanks Mark

 

doing the work in NX10. I am not worried about the cutting back. Did a test with 300 increments and all the way (up to 93.3%) SOL401 kept the same time step (0.033) - no cut back. At no point it tried to increase the time step if convergence between successive time steps was good. If my memory serves me right ABAQUS, tries doubling the time step (by default) if the convergence rate is "good" (event after cut back). This can speed up the analysis (somewhat). There is not such feature/option in SoL401? The time/load step is fixed unless cut back is needed!

 

Also

Is there any (step-by-step) example available (for NX10) for a multi-step analsysis? I cannot find anything in the doc! I am  trying to “move” something along (an axis) in 4 steps (each step squeezing the components a bit more) and cannot do this over the 4 steps wanted. Step 1 works but as soon as I am trying to apply (add) a force in step 2 the analysis crashes. There is nothing too fancy about the analysis at the moment;

 

Step 1: move part # 1 by 1.4mm (x-axis)              – the key component is pushed by part #1 (via contact) moving and is squeezed.

Step 2: apply an (axial) force F to part # 1 (x-axis)     – the key component is pushed further by part #1.

Step 3: move part # 1 by a further .3mm (x-axis)      – the key component is pushed further by part #1.

Step 4: move part # 1 by a further 0.1mm (x-axis)     – the key component is pushed further by part #1

 

Steps are a cumulative. Overall disp is therefore 1.4+?+0.3+0.1. One doesn’t know by how much part #1 is moving when applying the force F

(frictionless) Contacts are defined and are working fine. Once this is working then one will need to add plasticity

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Re: SOL401 - use constant "time"/Load step !

Phenom
Phenom

Here a weird one for the SOL401 experts out there

 

carried out 2 tests

  1. Test 1: forced x disp = 1.4, NLineart material = ON, Ninc = 200 (load step = 1/200) – Works fine full disp applied. All contacting nicely. Stress are too high but that must be the way I defined the plastic slope (H)
  2. Test 2: forced x disp = 2.3, NLinear material = ON, Ninc = 600 (load step = 1/600) – SOL401 only managed to apply 40% =0.4*2.3 = 0.92 - I expected SOL401 to reach at least to 60% (1.4/2.3)

 

Waht is going on with SOL401 ?

 

 

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Re: SOL401 - use constant "time"/Load step !

Siemens Phenom Siemens Phenom
Siemens Phenom

There is an example of a thermal mechanical coupled solution using NX 10 Multiphysics on Learning Advantage. I searched for “multiphysics” and found the workshop below. The NX 10 online help has a section on multiphysics as well. I admit we could use more examples as they are the best learning tools. The example here focuses on the thermal mechanical coupling capabilities of NX Multiphysics.

 

NXMultiphysicsLearningAdvantage.png

 

In NX 10, the solver will cut back the time step, but not increase the time step beyond the user specified steps.

 

The description of your model sounds like a press fit (i.e. squeezed) that is performed by pushing a body that is in contact with the pin of the press fit:

  1. Initial solid body in contact with a pin about to be driven into a press fit hole
  2. Enforce displacement on initial solid body
  3. Add a force to continue to drive the pin into its press fit hole
  4. Change back to enforced displacements to continue to drive the pin into its hole

 

The 4 steps you defined would correlate to 4 steps/subcases in SOL 401. Steps 3 and 4 probably could be combined into a single step. I can start from your model to triage the specific questions or create my own and send it to you as an example.

 

Regards,

Mark

Re: SOL401 - use constant "time"/Load step !

Phenom
Phenom

 Thanks for that. Will have a look at the Learning Advantage again. haven't looked there for a long time but it looks like myaccount give me access to very little (nothing!!)

 

the idea of step 3 & 4 are part of the specified assmely process.

Do Step 3 if a specific check is not met

Do Step 4 is after step 3 the specific check is still not met

 

Therefore I would like to keep steps 3 & 4 seperate even tough I could combine them

 

Happy to send a copy of my test model off line if you want

 

 

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