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Answers to your Scaled Drawing Questions

Solid Edge is set up so that you always draw your geometry at 1:1 scale
(actual size). Why would you want to draw a car the size of a model car,
just so it fits on a 8.5 X 11 piece of paper. That defeats the purpose
of drawing the actual car.
You then use the annotation tools to create the appropriate
drawings at whatever scale you need. The key here is that you do not have to
worry with drawing at a specific scale.
The key to making this work is to make use of 2D Model. 2D Model is a
drawing space with no boundaries. In 2D Model you draw your car the
actual size. When you are ready to put it on a drawing, go back to a working
sheet, Sheet1 for example. On the sheet one you can now place a 2D Model
View of the car you created in 2D Model. This 2D Model View may be
scaled up or down. For example you want to place a 2D View of the overall
car on a D Size Drawing. Change the properties of Sheet1 for D Size.
Place a 2D Model View. You fence the geometry from the 2D Model for placing
the view. Solid Edge will determine what to scale what you selected so that
the appropriate view scale is used. You can now dimension the geometry of
the 2D Model View on the working sheet and the dimensions will read the
actual 1:1 scale value.
Note: A 2D Model View is simply a window into the 2D Model geometry.
The geometry is NOT copied to the working sheet. If you make changes
to the car in 2D Model, you will see those changes on the Sheet 1 drawing.
Try something simple. Draw a rectangle in 2D Model that is 50 X 10 inches.
Go back to the working sheet and place a 2D Model view of the rectangle.
When you run the 2D Model View command fence in the entire rectangle. Place
the view. Solid Edge will set the scale. You can change the scale also. Now
place a dimension on one of the length lines. The dimension will read 50.
Although the geometry is scaled down to fit on the sheet, the dimension will
read the correct value.
Read Help about 2D Model and 2D Model Views.
You also can work entirely in 2D Model. Read Help about Drawing Area Setup
for a different workflow to accomplish what you want in 2D Model without a
working sheet. Drawing Area Setup allows you do create a scaled up drawing
border to fit around your 1:1 scale geometry. It also scales the dimension
text so that you can see the dimension values as you draw. The scaling is
now done when you print the drawing.
Regards,
Rick B.

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Re: Answers to your Scaled Drawing Questions

I follow most of this but the bit below seems to shoot by


You also can work entirely in 2D Model. Read Help about Drawing Area Setup
for a different workflow to accomplish what you want in 2D Model without a
working sheet. Drawing Area Setup allows you do create a scaled up drawing
border to fit around your 1:1 scale geometry. It also scales the dimension
text so that you can see the dimension values as you draw. The scaling is
now done when you print the drawing.


Now I normally in
Step 1: select the paper size I want e.g. A2 wide
Step 2: either skip or select the scale arrow based on paper width and height
Step 3: Leave it as the file name/draft1 and ignore placing a block as I don't need a border edging in the 2d model view.

So far seems to work, so what important bits am I missing.
This is not easily explained in the help.

Thanks

Re: Answers to your Scaled Drawing Questions

If you are not worried with creating scaled drawings, it becomes much
easier.
The question becomes do you need to create drawings with proper scale?
Or, as long as the geometry is the correct size relative to itself, that's
good enough.
Drawing area setup helps adjust the text size on dimensions.
You can do this manually. Adjust the text scale in the dimension command bar
as needed.
When you finally print the geometry, use the Print Area option on the Print
dialog.
The border placed by Drawing Area Setup gives you indicators in the corners
to help with print area.
Without the borders, you simply fence whatever you want printed.
Regards,
Rick B.

Re: Answers to your Scaled Drawing Questions

Thank you Ricky for your post. Now I figured out how to create scaled drawings.

This question puzzled me for a while, and I did not have a slightest idea how Solid Edge implements it. Whatever I tryied did not work at all. The SE Help does not explain it, or at least I was unable to find explanation there. Unfortunately Solid Edge tutorials do not show how to do it neither.

You explanation gave me a clue. Finally I've found this "Tables"/"2D Model" button. Thanks again.

Also it solves the mistery of the "2D Model" page: I could not figure out what it for.

Re: Answers to your Scaled Drawing Questions

The more I read about 2D Model, 2D Model View, 2D Model Sheet, Border Placement, Drawing Sheets, Background Sheets, Working Sheets, the more confused I get on this topic. The actual geometry construction is easy. I just am having a hard time figuring out how models and sheets work so I can save and print my work. I simply cannot seem to make it work. Please, if you can, clarify the following from the post above:

Try something simple. Draw a rectangle in 2D Model that is 50 X 10 inches. (OK - no problem)

Go back to the working sheet (?? How??) and place a 2D Model view of the rectangle. (?? How do you do this??)

When you run the 2D Model View command fence in the entire rectangle. (?? What does this mean??)

Place the view. (?? How - is it something that needs to be copied??)

Solid Edge will set the scale. You can change the scale also (?? How, or Why??). Now
place a dimension on one of the length lines. The dimension will read 50.
Although the geometry is scaled down to fit on the sheet, the dimension will
read the correct value.

If you could please do a step by step on this, maybe once I do it things right once it will become clear.

Thanks,

Greg

Re: Answers to your Scaled Drawing Questions

I'm kind of missing this too, thankfully most of the stuff I'm doing fits onto sheets I can print or I print to PDF and let Acrobat scale it to the page I can print.
Too add one more complexity to this, suppose I have a drawing with a lot of layers on a sheet, can I move this to a 2D model so that I can make it scale to a smaller sheet?

Re: Answers to your Scaled Drawing Questions

I can take no credit for this, but I have it figured out enough to be functional. I found a Solid Edge 2D textbook online that explains this process very simply and clearly. And it's free.

http://freebooks.engr-tech.com/

Went from frustrated to functional in about 15 minutes. Not everything posted here applies to the 2D version of Solid Edge, which helps explain some of my confusion.

Greg

Re: Answers to your Scaled Drawing Questions

See my comments below.
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>
> The more I read about 2D Model, 2D Model View, 2D Model Sheet, Border
> Placement, Drawing Sheets, Background Sheets, Working Sheets, the more
> confused I get on this topic. The actual geometry construction is easy.
> I just am having a hard time figuring out how models and sheets work so
> I can save and print my work. I simply cannot seem to make it work.
> Please, if you can, clarify the following from the post above:
>
> Try something simple. Draw a rectangle in 2D Model that is 50 X 10
> inches. (OK - no problem)
>
> Go back to the working sheet (?? How??) and place a 2D Model view of
> the rectangle. (?? How do you do this??)

Simply click on Sheet1 at the bottom of the application window.

>
> When you run the 2D Model View command fence in the entire rectangle.
> (?? What does this mean??)

There is a command on the Tables tab called 2D Model. This will create a 2D
Model view.
A 2D Model view is a window into your geometry you placed in 2D Model.
It does not copy the geometry. If you want to change the drawing, you change
the model.

>
> Place the view. (?? How - is it something that needs to be copied??)

When you rin the 2D Model View command you will click 2 points.
These 2 points fence the portion of the model you want to see on the
drawing.

>
> Solid Edge will set the scale. You can change the scale also (?? How,
> or Why??). Now

You are changing the scale of the 2D Model view (window) that is referencing
your 1:1 scaled model.
You can place a small view on a small drawing. Or a large view on a large
drawing.
The geometry does not change. There is no duplication of geometry. There is
a single model.

> place a dimension on one of the length lines. The dimension will read
> 50.
> Although the geometry is scaled down to fit on the sheet, the dimension
> will
> read the correct value.
>
> If you could please do a step by step on this, maybe once I do it
> things right once it will become clear.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Greg
>
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Re: Answers to your Scaled Drawing Questions

No problem working in actual size, then placing scaled views on my choice of drawing sheet. I'm familiar with the process from ME10/Co-Create Draft. One thing I'd like to see is a more flexible choice of scales. The 2X intervals between choices can sometimes result in an awkward-looking drawing.

Re: Answers to your Scaled Drawing Questions

In the 'Solid Edge 2D Drafting \Program' folder there is a filecalled
"Custom.xml".
You can edit this file. The scales that are listed are at the bottom.
Add any scales you need.
Regards,
Rick B.