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CRASHING ON ROTATION/MIRRORING OF GROUPS/BLOCKS


I've been experiencing frequent crashes when I rotate or mirror certain groups with
imbedded blocks. I'm I suppose to turn off Maintain Relationships when executing
these commands?
Thanks,
Ron
Ronald W Latour
8 REPLIES

Re: CRASHING ON ROTATION/MIRRORING OF GROUPS/BLOCKS


Based on a little more experience and observation, I don't think this due to the
rotate/mirror command. Rather, it seems that it crashes almost everytime I have
opened more than one view. I've thought that I had this problem before but now I'm
certain.
Question for Ricky: Why? Is this a RAM issue or video card issue or??
Thanks,
Ron

"Ronald W Latour" wrote:
>
>I've been experiencing frequent crashes when I rotate or mirror certain groups
>with
>imbedded blocks. I'm I suppose to turn off Maintain Relationships when executing
>these commands?
>
>Thanks,
>Ron
>Ronald W Latour

Ronald W Latour

Re: CRASHING ON ROTATION/MIRRORING OF GROUPS/BLOCKS


Hi Ron,
Ricky is out this week and I am answering questions in his place. This sounds like
it may be related to your video driver. It could be card related depending on what
kind of card you have. Right mouse click on your desktop and select Properties.
Go to the Settings tab and then click on the Advanced button at the bottom of the
page. Now go to the Adapter tab and read the Adapter type at the top of the page.
Also, I would be interested in the driver version. Click on the Properties button
at the top right and then go to the Driver tab on the new dialog. Tell me what
the driver version is.
Thanks.
Andy.
"Ronald W Latour" wrote:
>
>Based on a little more experience and observation, I don't think this due
>to the
>rotate/mirror command. Rather, it seems that it crashes almost everytime I
>have
>opened more than one view. I've thought that I had this problem before but
>now I'm
>certain.
>
>Question for Ricky: Why? Is this a RAM issue or video card issue or??
>
>Thanks,
>Ron
>
>
>"Ronald W Latour" wrote:
>>
>>I've been experiencing frequent crashes when I rotate or mirror certain groups
>>with
>>imbedded blocks. I'm I suppose to turn off Maintain Relationships when executing
>>these commands?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Ron
>>Ronald W Latour

>
>Ronald W Latour
Andy

Re: CRASHING ON ROTATION/MIRRORING OF GROUPS/BLOCKS


Andy, I hope Ricky is enjoying himself.
He and I have had some correspondence re my video card when trying to solve other
problems.
My card is a NVIDIA GeForce 6800 with Hardware Acceleration set to max. The driver
date is 12/26/08, the version is 6.14.11.8120 and the digital signer is Microsoft
Windows Hardware Compatibility Publisher. When I finish this response, I'm going
to the NVIDIA site and see if I have the latest driver.
Also, for what its worth, I have 1Gb of RAM and don't experience problems with other
software including IMSI 3D Max Design CAD and Google Sketchup.
If you have access to my crash logs, you'll see that I've had a bunch of them in
the last few days. I would bet that almost all of them occurred when I had more
than one window visible at the same time. I'm now training myself to not open more
than one window. When I copy from one file to another, I use to just drag across
the window borders. But now I maximize one file and choose the copy command and
than switch and maximize the other file and paste to it. Of course, than I have
to go looking for the pasted image because I don't know how to predetermine where
the pasted image winds up. Do you?
Thanks,
Ron
"Andrew Brezinski" wrote:
>
>Hi Ron,
>
>Ricky is out this week and I am answering questions in his place. This sounds
>like
>it may be related to your video driver. It could be card related depending
>on what
>kind of card you have. Right mouse click on your desktop and select Properties.
> Go to the Settings tab and then click on the Advanced button at the bottom
>of the
>page. Now go to the Adapter tab and read the Adapter type at the top of the
>page.
> Also, I would be interested in the driver version. Click on the Properties
>button
>at the top right and then go to the Driver tab on the new dialog. Tell me
>what
>the driver version is.
>
>Thanks.
>
>Andy.
>
>"Ronald W Latour" wrote:
>>
>>Based on a little more experience and observation, I don't think this due
>>to the
>>rotate/mirror command. Rather, it seems that it crashes almost everytime

>I
>>have
>>opened more than one view. I've thought that I had this problem before but
>>now I'm
>>certain.
>>
>>Question for Ricky: Why? Is this a RAM issue or video card issue or??
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Ron
>>
>>
>>"Ronald W Latour" wrote:
>>>
>>>I've been experiencing frequent crashes when I rotate or mirror certain

>groups
>>>with
>>>imbedded blocks. I'm I suppose to turn off Maintain Relationships when

>executing
>>>these commands?
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>Ron
>>>Ronald W Latour

>>
>>Ronald W Latour
>
>Andy
Ronald W Latour

Re: CRASHING ON ROTATION/MIRRORING OF GROUPS/BLOCKS


Ron,
Unfortunately, this card is not one that we would recommend for running a CAD application.
The GeForce line of cards is usually fine for most home applications, but for professional
applications such as Solid Edge, we normally recommend a card from the Quadro FX
line if you want to go with NVIDIA. One thing you might want to try is to back
off on the hardware acceleration. I suggest you back it all the way off and then
increment it forward until you start experiencing a crash. It would be particularly
helpful if you have some set of steps that you can reproduce a crash with rather
easily and use this as a test method. Once you experience the crash, you know you
need to back the acceleration off one notch and you should be good to go.
When you do a copy and paste, we essentially paste into the same XY location that
we copied from. So it is relative to the drawing origin. On the 2D Model sheet,
there is no way to really see this, but on the working sheet, it is the lower lefthand
corner of the piece of paper.
You can find the origin on the 2D Model sheet with the following exercise:
Place a line anywhere on the 2D Model Sheet.
Activate the Select Tool, right mouse click on the line and select Properties.
On the Info tab, for the Start Point, change the X and Y values to 0 and click OK.
This will move that end of the line to the origin for the sheet.
Hope this helps.
Andy
"Ronald W Latour" wrote:
>
>Andy, I hope Ricky is enjoying himself.
>
>He and I have had some correspondence re my video card when trying to solve
>other
>problems.
>
>My card is a NVIDIA GeForce 6800 with Hardware Acceleration set to max. The
>driver
>date is 12/26/08, the version is 6.14.11.8120 and the digital signer is Microsoft
>Windows Hardware Compatibility Publisher. When I finish this response, I'm
>going
>to the NVIDIA site and see if I have the latest driver.
>
>Also, for what its worth, I have 1Gb of RAM and don't experience problems
>with other
>software including IMSI 3D Max Design CAD and Google Sketchup.
>
>If you have access to my crash logs, you'll see that I've had a bunch of them
>in
>the last few days. I would bet that almost all of them occurred when I had
>more
>than one window visible at the same time. I'm now training myself to not
>open more
>than one window. When I copy from one file to another, I use to just drag
>across
>the window borders. But now I maximize one file and choose the copy command
>and
>than switch and maximize the other file and paste to it. Of course, than
>I have
>to go looking for the pasted image because I don't know how to predetermine
>where
>the pasted image winds up. Do you?
>
>Thanks,
>Ron
>
>"Andrew Brezinski" wrote:
>>
>>Hi Ron,
>>
>>Ricky is out this week and I am answering questions in his place. This sounds
>>like
>>it may be related to your video driver. It could be card related depending
>>on what
>>kind of card you have. Right mouse click on your desktop and select Properties.
>> Go to the Settings tab and then click on the Advanced button at the bottom
>>of the
>>page. Now go to the Adapter tab and read the Adapter type at the top of

>the
>>page.
>> Also, I would be interested in the driver version. Click on the Properties
>>button
>>at the top right and then go to the Driver tab on the new dialog. Tell me
>>what
>>the driver version is.
>>
>>Thanks.
>>
>>Andy.
>>
>>"Ronald W Latour" wrote:
>>>
>>>Based on a little more experience and observation, I don't think this due
>>>to the
>>>rotate/mirror command. Rather, it seems that it crashes almost everytime

>>I
>>>have
>>>opened more than one view. I've thought that I had this problem before but
>>>now I'm
>>>certain.
>>>
>>>Question for Ricky: Why? Is this a RAM issue or video card issue or??
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>Ron
>>>
>>>
>>>"Ronald W Latour" wrote:
>>>>
>>>>I've been experiencing frequent crashes when I rotate or mirror certain

>>groups
>>>>with
>>>>imbedded blocks. I'm I suppose to turn off Maintain Relationships when

>>executing
>>>>these commands?
>>>>
>>>>Thanks,
>>>>Ron
>>>>Ronald W Latour
>>>
>>>Ronald W Latour

>>
>>Andy
>
>Ronald W Latour
Andy

Re: CRASHING ON ROTATION/MIRRORING OF GROUPS/BLOCKS


Andy, thanks. This helps. While I was waiting on your reply, I found and downloaded
the lates NVIDIA driver. It has made a significant difference. I've had multiple
windows open with a crash based on a couple of days of use with the new driver.
My PC is 4 yrs old and a new driver like you suggest would cost me over $200.
I'm going to give this new downloaded driver a chance to see if it keeps me stable.
At least, I know what my problem was and, if necessary, how to fix it.
I also tried the line exercise and see how it works. But why isn't the "true" 2D
Model origin the same as the aparent origin?
Thanks,
Ron
"Andrew Brezinski" wrote:
>
>Ron,
>
>Unfortunately, this card is not one that we would recommend for running a
>CAD application.
> The GeForce line of cards is usually fine for most home applications, but
>for professional
>applications such as Solid Edge, we normally recommend a card from the Quadro
>FX
>line if you want to go with NVIDIA. One thing you might want to try is to
>back
>off on the hardware acceleration. I suggest you back it all the way off and
>then
>increment it forward until you start experiencing a crash. It would be particularly
>helpful if you have some set of steps that you can reproduce a crash with
>rather
>easily and use this as a test method. Once you experience the crash, you
>know you
>need to back the acceleration off one notch and you should be good to go.
>
>When you do a copy and paste, we essentially paste into the same XY location
>that
>we copied from. So it is relative to the drawing origin. On the 2D Model
>sheet,
>there is no way to really see this, but on the working sheet, it is the lower
>lefthand
>corner of the piece of paper.
>
>You can find the origin on the 2D Model sheet with the following exercise:
>
>Place a line anywhere on the 2D Model Sheet.
>Activate the Select Tool, right mouse click on the line and select Properties.
>On the Info tab, for the Start Point, change the X and Y values to 0 and click
>OK.
> This will move that end of the line to the origin for the sheet.
>
>Hope this helps.
>
>Andy
>
>"Ronald W Latour" wrote:
>>
>>Andy, I hope Ricky is enjoying himself.
>>
>>He and I have had some correspondence re my video card when trying to solve
>>other
>>problems.
>>
>>My card is a NVIDIA GeForce 6800 with Hardware Acceleration set to max.

>The
>>driver
>>date is 12/26/08, the version is 6.14.11.8120 and the digital signer is Microsoft
>>Windows Hardware Compatibility Publisher. When I finish this response, I'm
>>going
>>to the NVIDIA site and see if I have the latest driver.
>>
>>Also, for what its worth, I have 1Gb of RAM and don't experience problems
>>with other
>>software including IMSI 3D Max Design CAD and Google Sketchup.
>>
>>If you have access to my crash logs, you'll see that I've had a bunch of

>them
>>in
>>the last few days. I would bet that almost all of them occurred when I had
>>more
>>than one window visible at the same time. I'm now training myself to not
>>open more
>>than one window. When I copy from one file to another, I use to just drag
>>across
>>the window borders. But now I maximize one file and choose the copy command
>>and
>>than switch and maximize the other file and paste to it. Of course, than
>>I have
>>to go looking for the pasted image because I don't know how to predetermine
>>where
>>the pasted image winds up. Do you?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Ron
>>
>>"Andrew Brezinski" wrote:
>>>
>>>Hi Ron,
>>>
>>>Ricky is out this week and I am answering questions in his place. This

>sounds
>>>like
>>>it may be related to your video driver. It could be card related depending
>>>on what
>>>kind of card you have. Right mouse click on your desktop and select Properties.
>>> Go to the Settings tab and then click on the Advanced button at the bottom
>>>of the
>>>page. Now go to the Adapter tab and read the Adapter type at the top of

>>the
>>>page.
>>> Also, I would be interested in the driver version. Click on the Properties
>>>button
>>>at the top right and then go to the Driver tab on the new dialog. Tell

>me
>>>what
>>>the driver version is.
>>>
>>>Thanks.
>>>
>>>Andy.
>>>
>>>"Ronald W Latour" wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Based on a little more experience and observation, I don't think this due
>>>>to the
>>>>rotate/mirror command. Rather, it seems that it crashes almost everytime
>>>I
>>>>have
>>>>opened more than one view. I've thought that I had this problem before

>but
>>>>now I'm
>>>>certain.
>>>>
>>>>Question for Ricky: Why? Is this a RAM issue or video card issue or??
>>>>
>>>>Thanks,
>>>>Ron
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Ronald W Latour" wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>I've been experiencing frequent crashes when I rotate or mirror certain
>>>groups
>>>>>with
>>>>>imbedded blocks. I'm I suppose to turn off Maintain Relationships when
>>>executing
>>>>>these commands?
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>Ron
>>>>>Ronald W Latour
>>>>
>>>>Ronald W Latour
>>>
>>>Andy

>>
>>Ronald W Latour
>
>Andy
Ronald W Latour

Re: CRASHING ON ROTATION/MIRRORING OF GROUPS/BLOCKS


Ron,
Glad to hear the driver made a difference. I am not sure if I understand your quetion
though. What do you mean by "true" vs. "apparent" origin?
"Ronald W Latour" wrote:
>
>Andy, thanks. This helps. While I was waiting on your reply, I found and
>downloaded
>the lates NVIDIA driver. It has made a significant difference. I've had
>multiple
>windows open with a crash based on a couple of days of use with the new driver.
> My PC is 4 yrs old and a new driver like you suggest would cost me over $200.
>
>I'm going to give this new downloaded driver a chance to see if it keeps me
>stable.
> At least, I know what my problem was and, if necessary, how to fix it.
>
>I also tried the line exercise and see how it works. But why isn't the "true"
>2D
>Model origin the same as the aparent origin?
>
>Thanks,
>Ron
>
>"Andrew Brezinski" wrote:
>>
>>Ron,
>>
>>Unfortunately, this card is not one that we would recommend for running a
>>CAD application.
>> The GeForce line of cards is usually fine for most home applications, but
>>for professional
>>applications such as Solid Edge, we normally recommend a card from the Quadro
>>FX
>>line if you want to go with NVIDIA. One thing you might want to try is to
>>back
>>off on the hardware acceleration. I suggest you back it all the way off

>and
>>then
>>increment it forward until you start experiencing a crash. It would be particularly
>>helpful if you have some set of steps that you can reproduce a crash with
>>rather
>>easily and use this as a test method. Once you experience the crash, you
>>know you
>>need to back the acceleration off one notch and you should be good to go.
>>
>>When you do a copy and paste, we essentially paste into the same XY location
>>that
>>we copied from. So it is relative to the drawing origin. On the 2D Model
>>sheet,
>>there is no way to really see this, but on the working sheet, it is the lower
>>lefthand
>>corner of the piece of paper.
>>
>>You can find the origin on the 2D Model sheet with the following exercise:
>>
>>Place a line anywhere on the 2D Model Sheet.
>>Activate the Select Tool, right mouse click on the line and select Properties.
>>On the Info tab, for the Start Point, change the X and Y values to 0 and

>click
>>OK.
>> This will move that end of the line to the origin for the sheet.
>>
>>Hope this helps.
>>
>>Andy
>>
>>"Ronald W Latour" wrote:
>>>
>>>Andy, I hope Ricky is enjoying himself.
>>>
>>>He and I have had some correspondence re my video card when trying to solve
>>>other
>>>problems.
>>>
>>>My card is a NVIDIA GeForce 6800 with Hardware Acceleration set to max.

>
>>The
>>>driver
>>>date is 12/26/08, the version is 6.14.11.8120 and the digital signer is

>Microsoft
>>>Windows Hardware Compatibility Publisher. When I finish this response,

>I'm
>>>going
>>>to the NVIDIA site and see if I have the latest driver.
>>>
>>>Also, for what its worth, I have 1Gb of RAM and don't experience problems
>>>with other
>>>software including IMSI 3D Max Design CAD and Google Sketchup.
>>>
>>>If you have access to my crash logs, you'll see that I've had a bunch of

>>them
>>>in
>>>the last few days. I would bet that almost all of them occurred when I

>had
>>>more
>>>than one window visible at the same time. I'm now training myself to not
>>>open more
>>>than one window. When I copy from one file to another, I use to just drag
>>>across
>>>the window borders. But now I maximize one file and choose the copy command
>>>and
>>>than switch and maximize the other file and paste to it. Of course, than
>>>I have
>>>to go looking for the pasted image because I don't know how to predetermine
>>>where
>>>the pasted image winds up. Do you?
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>Ron
>>>
>>>"Andrew Brezinski" wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Hi Ron,
>>>>
>>>>Ricky is out this week and I am answering questions in his place. This

>>sounds
>>>>like
>>>>it may be related to your video driver. It could be card related depending
>>>>on what
>>>>kind of card you have. Right mouse click on your desktop and select Properties.
>>>> Go to the Settings tab and then click on the Advanced button at the bottom
>>>>of the
>>>>page. Now go to the Adapter tab and read the Adapter type at the top of
>>>the
>>>>page.
>>>> Also, I would be interested in the driver version. Click on the Properties
>>>>button
>>>>at the top right and then go to the Driver tab on the new dialog. Tell

>>me
>>>>what
>>>>the driver version is.
>>>>
>>>>Thanks.
>>>>
>>>>Andy.
>>>>
>>>>"Ronald W Latour" wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Based on a little more experience and observation, I don't think this

>due
>>>>>to the
>>>>>rotate/mirror command. Rather, it seems that it crashes almost everytime
>>>>I
>>>>>have
>>>>>opened more than one view. I've thought that I had this problem before

>>but
>>>>>now I'm
>>>>>certain.
>>>>>
>>>>>Question for Ricky: Why? Is this a RAM issue or video card issue or??
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>Ron
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Ronald W Latour" wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I've been experiencing frequent crashes when I rotate or mirror certain
>>>>groups
>>>>>>with
>>>>>>imbedded blocks. I'm I suppose to turn off Maintain Relationships when
>>>>executing
>>>>>>these commands?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>>Ron
>>>>>>Ronald W Latour
>>>>>
>>>>>Ronald W Latour
>>>>
>>>>Andy
>>>
>>>Ronald W Latour

>>
>>Andy
>
>Ronald W Latour
Andy

Re: CRASHING ON ROTATION/MIRRORING OF GROUPS/BLOCKS


Andy, from the laborious method you described to find the 2D Model Origin, I assumed
that it must be different from the “current user defined origin (i.e. CUDO)” that
I routinely place wherever I want using the Grid Tool command bar. Another reason
is that in the example you describe, the line start point jumps to a place nowhere
near my CUDO. So I reasoned that the Origin you described is different from the
CUDO.
Please clear up my confusion.
Thanks,
Ron

"Andrew Brezinski" wrote:
>
>Ron,
>
>Glad to hear the driver made a difference. I am not sure if I understand
>your quetion
>though. What do you mean by "true" vs. "apparent" origin?
>
>"Ronald W Latour" wrote:
>>
>>Andy, thanks. This helps. While I was waiting on your reply, I found and
>>downloaded
>>the lates NVIDIA driver. It has made a significant difference. I've had
>>multiple
>>windows open with a crash based on a couple of days of use with the new driver.
>> My PC is 4 yrs old and a new driver like you suggest would cost me over

>$200.
>>
>>I'm going to give this new downloaded driver a chance to see if it keeps

>me
>>stable.
>> At least, I know what my problem was and, if necessary, how to fix it.
>>
>>I also tried the line exercise and see how it works. But why isn't the "true"
>>2D
>>Model origin the same as the aparent origin?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Ron
>>
>>"Andrew Brezinski" wrote:
>>>
>>>Ron,
>>>
>>>Unfortunately, this card is not one that we would recommend for running

>a
>>>CAD application.
>>> The GeForce line of cards is usually fine for most home applications, but
>>>for professional
>>>applications such as Solid Edge, we normally recommend a card from the Quadro
>>>FX
>>>line if you want to go with NVIDIA. One thing you might want to try is

>to
>>>back
>>>off on the hardware acceleration. I suggest you back it all the way off

>>and
>>>then
>>>increment it forward until you start experiencing a crash. It would be

>particularly
>>>helpful if you have some set of steps that you can reproduce a crash with
>>>rather
>>>easily and use this as a test method. Once you experience the crash, you
>>>know you
>>>need to back the acceleration off one notch and you should be good to go.
>>>
>>>When you do a copy and paste, we essentially paste into the same XY location
>>>that
>>>we copied from. So it is relative to the drawing origin. On the 2D Model
>>>sheet,
>>>there is no way to really see this, but on the working sheet, it is the

>lower
>>>lefthand
>>>corner of the piece of paper.
>>>
>>>You can find the origin on the 2D Model sheet with the following exercise:
>>>
>>>Place a line anywhere on the 2D Model Sheet.
>>>Activate the Select Tool, right mouse click on the line and select Properties.
>>>On the Info tab, for the Start Point, change the X and Y values to 0 and

>>click
>>>OK.
>>> This will move that end of the line to the origin for the sheet.
>>>
>>>Hope this helps.
>>>
>>>Andy
>>>
>>>"Ronald W Latour" wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Andy, I hope Ricky is enjoying himself.
>>>>
>>>>He and I have had some correspondence re my video card when trying to solve
>>>>other
>>>>problems.
>>>>
>>>>My card is a NVIDIA GeForce 6800 with Hardware Acceleration set to max.

>>
>>>The
>>>>driver
>>>>date is 12/26/08, the version is 6.14.11.8120 and the digital signer is

>>Microsoft
>>>>Windows Hardware Compatibility Publisher. When I finish this response,

>>I'm
>>>>going
>>>>to the NVIDIA site and see if I have the latest driver.
>>>>
>>>>Also, for what its worth, I have 1Gb of RAM and don't experience problems
>>>>with other
>>>>software including IMSI 3D Max Design CAD and Google Sketchup.
>>>>
>>>>If you have access to my crash logs, you'll see that I've had a bunch of
>>>them
>>>>in
>>>>the last few days. I would bet that almost all of them occurred when I

>>had
>>>>more
>>>>than one window visible at the same time. I'm now training myself to not
>>>>open more
>>>>than one window. When I copy from one file to another, I use to just drag
>>>>across
>>>>the window borders. But now I maximize one file and choose the copy command
>>>>and
>>>>than switch and maximize the other file and paste to it. Of course, than
>>>>I have
>>>>to go looking for the pasted image because I don't know how to predetermine
>>>>where
>>>>the pasted image winds up. Do you?
>>>>
>>>>Thanks,
>>>>Ron
>>>>
>>>>"Andrew Brezinski" wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Hi Ron,
>>>>>
>>>>>Ricky is out this week and I am answering questions in his place. This
>>>sounds
>>>>>like
>>>>>it may be related to your video driver. It could be card related depending
>>>>>on what
>>>>>kind of card you have. Right mouse click on your desktop and select Properties.
>>>>> Go to the Settings tab and then click on the Advanced button at the bottom
>>>>>of the
>>>>>page. Now go to the Adapter tab and read the Adapter type at the top

>of
>>>>the
>>>>>page.
>>>>> Also, I would be interested in the driver version. Click on the Properties
>>>>>button
>>>>>at the top right and then go to the Driver tab on the new dialog. Tell
>>>me
>>>>>what
>>>>>the driver version is.
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>>Andy.
>>>>>
>>>>>"Ronald W Latour" wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Based on a little more experience and observation, I don't think this

>>due
>>>>>>to the
>>>>>>rotate/mirror command. Rather, it seems that it crashes almost everytime
>>>>>I
>>>>>>have
>>>>>>opened more than one view. I've thought that I had this problem before
>>>but
>>>>>>now I'm
>>>>>>certain.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Question for Ricky: Why? Is this a RAM issue or video card issue or??
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>>Ron
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Ronald W Latour" wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I've been experiencing frequent crashes when I rotate or mirror certain
>>>>>groups
>>>>>>>with
>>>>>>>imbedded blocks. I'm I suppose to turn off Maintain Relationships when
>>>>>executing
>>>>>>>these commands?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>>>Ron
>>>>>>>Ronald W Latour
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Ronald W Latour
>>>>>
>>>>>Andy
>>>>
>>>>Ronald W Latour
>>>
>>>Andy

>>
>>Ronald W Latour
>
>Andy
Ronald W Latour

Re: CRASHING ON ROTATION/MIRRORING OF GROUPS/BLOCKS


Ron,
You are correct. The origin that the line moves to when you change its point from
its properties dialog is the absolute origin within the world coordinate system
for the 2D Model sheet. The point you are defining as the grid origin is a user
defined point and can be any where. If you want the two to be coincident, get the
line to show you where the absolute origin is and then use that point to define
the origin of your grid.
Hope this helps.
Andy
"Ronald W Latour" wrote:
>
>Andy, from the laborious method you described to find the 2D Model Origin,
>I assumed
>that it must be different from the “current user defined origin (i.e. CUDO)”
>that
>I routinely place wherever I want using the Grid Tool command bar. Another
>reason
>is that in the example you describe, the line start point jumps to a place
>nowhere
>near my CUDO. So I reasoned that the Origin you described is different from
>the
>CUDO.
>
>Please clear up my confusion.
>
>Thanks,
>Ron
>
>
>
>"Andrew Brezinski" wrote:
>>
>>Ron,
>>
>>Glad to hear the driver made a difference. I am not sure if I understand
>>your quetion
>>though. What do you mean by "true" vs. "apparent" origin?
>>
>>"Ronald W Latour" wrote:
>>>
>>>Andy, thanks. This helps. While I was waiting on your reply, I found and
>>>downloaded
>>>the lates NVIDIA driver. It has made a significant difference. I've had
>>>multiple
>>>windows open with a crash based on a couple of days of use with the new

>driver.
>>> My PC is 4 yrs old and a new driver like you suggest would cost me over

>>$200.
>>>
>>>I'm going to give this new downloaded driver a chance to see if it keeps

>>me
>>>stable.
>>> At least, I know what my problem was and, if necessary, how to fix it.
>>>
>>>I also tried the line exercise and see how it works. But why isn't the

>"true"
>>>2D
>>>Model origin the same as the aparent origin?
>>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>Ron
>>>
>>>"Andrew Brezinski" wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Ron,
>>>>
>>>>Unfortunately, this card is not one that we would recommend for running

>>a
>>>>CAD application.
>>>> The GeForce line of cards is usually fine for most home applications,

>but
>>>>for professional
>>>>applications such as Solid Edge, we normally recommend a card from the

>Quadro
>>>>FX
>>>>line if you want to go with NVIDIA. One thing you might want to try is

>>to
>>>>back
>>>>off on the hardware acceleration. I suggest you back it all the way off
>>>and
>>>>then
>>>>increment it forward until you start experiencing a crash. It would be

>>particularly
>>>>helpful if you have some set of steps that you can reproduce a crash with
>>>>rather
>>>>easily and use this as a test method. Once you experience the crash, you
>>>>know you
>>>>need to back the acceleration off one notch and you should be good to go.
>>>>
>>>>When you do a copy and paste, we essentially paste into the same XY location
>>>>that
>>>>we copied from. So it is relative to the drawing origin. On the 2D Model
>>>>sheet,
>>>>there is no way to really see this, but on the working sheet, it is the

>>lower
>>>>lefthand
>>>>corner of the piece of paper.
>>>>
>>>>You can find the origin on the 2D Model sheet with the following exercise:
>>>>
>>>>Place a line anywhere on the 2D Model Sheet.
>>>>Activate the Select Tool, right mouse click on the line and select Properties.
>>>>On the Info tab, for the Start Point, change the X and Y values to 0 and
>>>click
>>>>OK.
>>>> This will move that end of the line to the origin for the sheet.
>>>>
>>>>Hope this helps.
>>>>
>>>>Andy
>>>>
>>>>"Ronald W Latour" wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Andy, I hope Ricky is enjoying himself.
>>>>>
>>>>>He and I have had some correspondence re my video card when trying to

>solve
>>>>>other
>>>>>problems.
>>>>>
>>>>>My card is a NVIDIA GeForce 6800 with Hardware Acceleration set to max.
>>>
>>>>The
>>>>>driver
>>>>>date is 12/26/08, the version is 6.14.11.8120 and the digital signer is
>>>Microsoft
>>>>>Windows Hardware Compatibility Publisher. When I finish this response,
>>>I'm
>>>>>going
>>>>>to the NVIDIA site and see if I have the latest driver.
>>>>>
>>>>>Also, for what its worth, I have 1Gb of RAM and don't experience problems
>>>>>with other
>>>>>software including IMSI 3D Max Design CAD and Google Sketchup.
>>>>>
>>>>>If you have access to my crash logs, you'll see that I've had a bunch

>of
>>>>them
>>>>>in
>>>>>the last few days. I would bet that almost all of them occurred when

>I
>>>had
>>>>>more
>>>>>than one window visible at the same time. I'm now training myself to

>not
>>>>>open more
>>>>>than one window. When I copy from one file to another, I use to just

>drag
>>>>>across
>>>>>the window borders. But now I maximize one file and choose the copy command
>>>>>and
>>>>>than switch and maximize the other file and paste to it. Of course, than
>>>>>I have
>>>>>to go looking for the pasted image because I don't know how to predetermine
>>>>>where
>>>>>the pasted image winds up. Do you?
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>Ron
>>>>>
>>>>>"Andrew Brezinski" wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Hi Ron,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Ricky is out this week and I am answering questions in his place. This
>>>>sounds
>>>>>>like
>>>>>>it may be related to your video driver. It could be card related depending
>>>>>>on what
>>>>>>kind of card you have. Right mouse click on your desktop and select

>Properties.
>>>>>> Go to the Settings tab and then click on the Advanced button at the

>bottom
>>>>>>of the
>>>>>>page. Now go to the Adapter tab and read the Adapter type at the top

>>of
>>>>>the
>>>>>>page.
>>>>>> Also, I would be interested in the driver version. Click on the Properties
>>>>>>button
>>>>>>at the top right and then go to the Driver tab on the new dialog. Tell
>>>>me
>>>>>>what
>>>>>>the driver version is.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Thanks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Andy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Ronald W Latour" wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Based on a little more experience and observation, I don't think this
>>>due
>>>>>>>to the
>>>>>>>rotate/mirror command. Rather, it seems that it crashes almost everytime
>>>>>>I
>>>>>>>have
>>>>>>>opened more than one view. I've thought that I had this problem before
>>>>but
>>>>>>>now I'm
>>>>>>>certain.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Question for Ricky: Why? Is this a RAM issue or video card issue or??
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>>>Ron
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Ronald W Latour" wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I've been experiencing frequent crashes when I rotate or mirror certain
>>>>>>groups
>>>>>>>>with
>>>>>>>>imbedded blocks. I'm I suppose to turn off Maintain Relationships

>when
>>>>>>executing
>>>>>>>>these commands?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>>>>Ron
>>>>>>>>Ronald W Latour
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Ronald W Latour
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Andy
>>>>>
>>>>>Ronald W Latour
>>>>
>>>>Andy
>>>
>>>Ronald W Latour

>>
>>Andy
>
>Ronald W Latour
Andy