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Is Solid Edge 2D Drafting free for *commercial* use?

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I'm asking this question because when you install the software there's a license
agreement you accept (or not) which contains the following:
"UGS grants to you this nonexclusive, nontransferable term-limited license to use
a single copy of the Software on the type of computer and with the operating system
for which the Software was designed to operate and not for sublicensing or redistribution
or _commercial_ use, including design and design services for others."
This contrasts with what they say on the Webpage
(http://www.solid-edge.com/free2d/default.htm):
"Solid Edge 2D drafting demonstrates UGS’ commitment to helping _companies_ control
costs.And it is absolutely FREE to download and use. "
- if this is thought to be used within a company - then which company can use it
in non-commercial way? Smiley Happy (And BTW - why is it time-limited? They wan't me to make
many projects with this and then force me to pay for it or what?).
Please correct me in case I misunderstood this.
Tom
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Re: Is Solid Edge 2D Drafting free for *commercial* use?

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The intent of the paragraph was to discourage people using the free software
for doing pure consulting work. However, its not clear why this prohibition
existed and we will likely remove this wording in the next rev of the
software. As far as the time-limited license, our intent it that you will be
able to download a newer version prior to the expiration of your license and
that new version would run for another year (and so on). Solid Edge releases
twice a year and you would just download the new version. This serves two
purposes (selfishly for UGS):
1. It ensures our customers are not using older software. Sometimes people
will get stuck on older stuff and complain and have support issues that
would have been resolved if they simply stayed up to date.
2. Our obvious goal is to interest you in our broader product line and
ulimately make you a paying customer. You will need to redownload the
software and will be recontacted for follow up in this regard if you have
not already become a paying customer.
Hope this answers your questions...
Best regards,
Dan Staples
Director, Solid Edge Business Unit

"Tom Lesniak" wrote in message
news:454a5ebd$1@bbsnotes.ugs.com...
>
> I'm asking this question because when you install the software there's a
> license
> agreement you accept (or not) which contains the following:
>
> "UGS grants to you this nonexclusive, nontransferable term-limited license
> to use
> a single copy of the Software on the type of computer and with the
> operating system
> for which the Software was designed to operate and not for sublicensing or
> redistribution
> or _commercial_ use, including design and design services for others."
>
> This contrasts with what they say on the Webpage
> (http://www.solid-edge.com/free2d/default.htm):
>
> "Solid Edge 2D drafting demonstrates UGS' commitment to helping
> _companies_ control
> costs.And it is absolutely FREE to download and use. "
>
> - if this is thought to be used within a company - then which company can
> use it
> in non-commercial way? Smiley Happy (And BTW - why is it time-limited? They wan't me
> to make
> many projects with this and then force me to pay for it or what?).
>
> Please correct me in case I misunderstood this.
>
> Tom
>


Re: Is Solid Edge 2D Drafting free for *commercial* use?

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Hello,
Many thanks for your post - it surely answered my questions.
I understand - from what you wrote - that this software *can* be used within a
company or by an individual to make profit (=commercial use is allowed). I don't
quite understand what do you mean by "doing pure consulting work".
Regards,
Tom

Re: Is Solid Edge 2D Drafting free for *commercial* use?

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"Tom Lesniak" wrote:
>(And BTW - why is it time-limited? They wan't me
>to make
>many projects with this and then force me to pay for it or what?).
>
>Please correct me in case I misunderstood this.
>
>Tom
>

Hi Tom, I have no idea that it is time-limited. What is the time limit? But what
is the point really? If it is just for evaluation, UGS might as well let prospective
users try the full product for a limited time. Why this limited functionality and
they are not even selling this stripped-down product. If my memory serves me correctly,
SE used this method to draw attention to its full product before it was acquired
by UGS. I think it was called the Solid Edge Origin. At that time Origin was already
a very powerful 2D package that gave the full AutoCAD 2D package a good run for
free. Of course the main draw was that Origin included a series of Tutorial to demonstrate
the power of their Parasolid 3D engine. Perhaps, it was assumed that beneficiaries
of Origin would eventually buy the full product. I guess things didn't turn out
as hoped as SolidWorks gained a strong hold on the mid-MCAD market.
Recently, an upstart company came up with a new product called Alibre using the
ACIS engine. It followed the Origin method of marketing and this may have prompted
UGS to revive the Origin as the SE 2D Drafting. My concern is this; if it doesn't
work out again, will UGS just pull the plug for this product? Doesn't say much for
commitment does it?
Lim

Re: Is Solid Edge 2D Drafting free for *commercial* use?

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"Tom Lesniak" wrote:
>
>I'm asking this question because when you install the software there's a license
>agreement you accept (or not) which contains the following:
>
>"UGS grants to you this nonexclusive, nontransferable term-limited license
>to use
>a single copy of the Software on the type of computer and with the operating
>system
>for which the Software was designed to operate and not for sublicensing or
>redistribution
>or _commercial_ use, including design and design services for others."
>
>This contrasts with what they say on the Webpage
>(http://www.solid-edge.com/free2d/default.htm):
>
>"Solid Edge 2D drafting demonstrates UGS’ commitment to helping _companies_
>control
>costs.And it is absolutely FREE to download and use. "
>
> - if this is thought to be used within a company - then which company can
>use it
>in non-commercial way? Smiley Happy (And BTW - why is it time-limited? They wan't me
>to make
>many projects with this and then force me to pay for it or what?).
>
>Please correct me in case I misunderstood this.
>
>Tom
>

Re: Is Solid Edge 2D Drafting free for *commercial* use?

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Dan Staples,
I take it to mean that the 2D Drafting package or version is actually a full 2D
module that works the same in the full product. So, migration to the full product
would be seemless? What a great strategy! UGS will probably succeed. There is no
better way to convert users to your product other than to let them get used to your
product. They would eventually become dependent on it as more work is done through
it. When the time and means is available for upgrade it would naturally be an SE
product. This beats Adobe and AutoCAD. They let us use the pdf and dwf format for
free but I don't see how that translate into buying the full product. Yours is a
better marketing model. I just hope you keep it running. Not like Origin. Remember
that product?
Lim

"Dan Staples" wrote:


>As far as the time-limited license, our intent it that you will
>be
>able to download a newer version prior to the expiration of your license and
>
>that new version would run for another year (and so on). Solid Edge releases
>
>twice a year and you would just download the new version. This serves two
>
>purposes (selfishly for UGS):
>
>1. It ensures our customers are not using older software. Sometimes people
>
>will get stuck on older stuff and complain and have support issues that
>would have been resolved if they simply stayed up to date.
>2. Our obvious goal is to interest you in our broader product line and
>ulimately make you a paying customer. You will need to redownload the
>software and will be recontacted for follow up in this regard if you have
>
>not already become a paying customer.
>
>Hope this answers your questions...
>
>Best regards,
>Dan Staples
>Director, Solid Edge Business Unit
>

Re: Is Solid Edge 2D Drafting free for *commercial* use?

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Hi Tom,
Your message was posted quite sometime ago so it probably has been answered back-channel?
Care to share it with us? My thinking about this is that "consulting work" probably
means nothing to do with productive work. I would mean that it should not be used
for "consulting work". "Consulting" as in demonstrating to prospective users the
pro and cons of this product as compared to other competitive products. Correct
me if I am wrong.
Lim

"Tom Lesniak" wrote:
>
>Hello,
>
>Many thanks for your post - it surely answered my questions.
>
>I understand - from what you wrote - that this software *can* be used within
>a
>company or by an individual to make profit (=commercial use is allowed). I
>don't
>quite understand what do you mean by "doing pure consulting work".
>
>Regards,
>
>Tom

Re: Is Solid Edge 2D Drafting free for *commercial* use?

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Hello,
My message was answered in the newsgroup - I'm pasting the answer here again for
those who missed it. As you can see - they promised to remove some licensing restrictions
but I haven't checked if they had it removed.

=== start of quoted text ===
The intent of the paragraph was to discourage people using the free software
for doing pure consulting work. However, its not clear why this prohibition
existed and we will likely remove this wording in the next rev of the
software. As far as the time-limited license, our intent it that you will be
able to download a newer version prior to the expiration of your license and
that new version would run for another year (and so on). Solid Edge releases
twice a year and you would just download the new version. This serves two
purposes (selfishly for UGS):
1. It ensures our customers are not using older software. Sometimes people
will get stuck on older stuff and complain and have support issues that
would have been resolved if they simply stayed up to date.
2. Our obvious goal is to interest you in our broader product line and
ulimately make you a paying customer. You will need to redownload the
software and will be recontacted for follow up in this regard if you have
not already become a paying customer.
Hope this answers your questions...
Best regards,
Dan Staples
Director, Solid Edge Business Unit
=== end of quoted text ===

"Lim" wrote:
>
>Hi Tom,
>
>Your message was posted quite sometime ago so it probably has been answered
>back-channel?
>Care to share it with us? My thinking about this is that "consulting work"
>probably
>means nothing to do with productive work. I would mean that it should not
>be used
>for "consulting work". "Consulting" as in demonstrating to prospective users
>the
>pro and cons of this product as compared to other competitive products. Correct
>me if I am wrong.
>
>Lim

Re: Is Solid Edge 2D Drafting free for *commercial* use?

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The previous message was sent in error and may be deleted. If the Administrator does
not do so, please ingnore this branch of the thread. My sincere apologies for the
mistake.
Lim
Georgetown, Penang

Re: Is Solid Edge 2D Drafting free for *commercial* use?

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This is further to a comment I made in a previous post. I have to admit that I did
not follow up on the development of the Origin after our company acquired the full
product. I believe the Origin evolved into the Layout. Now it is called 2D Drafting.
Same product I guess. Just different names.
wrote:
>


>
>Recently, an upstart company came up with a new product called Alibre using
>the
>ACIS engine. It followed the Origin method of marketing and this may have
>prompted
>UGS to revive the Origin as the SE 2D Drafting. My concern is this; if it
>doesn't
>work out again, will UGS just pull the plug for this product? Doesn't say
>much for
>commitment does it?
>
>Lim
>


Lim
Georgetown, Penang