Reply

VIEW COMMAND PROBLEMS


After trying to draw a rectangle using points created by a series of busy intersecting
lines that necessitated zooming in very close and than back out, I decided to complain.
I've even tried creating 3 different views at the 3 places where I needed to set
the rectangle corners. When I did, Intellisketch became unstable and failed to
identify the two intersecting lines at the 3rd corner.
Assuming my download is functioning properly, I don’t like the view control commands.
First, there are too many different ways to chose, i.e.:
1. from the lower right menu, from the upper ribbon bar,
2. from the Zoom Tool via settings within Options,
3. from speed keys listed within Help and
4. speed keys using the right mouse button depressed while pressing some
combination of Shift/Ctrl/Alt.
Secondly, I couldn’t find any one choice that allows all necessary view manipulations
without at least one of the view commands disabling a drawing command when executed
in midstream. As an example, I tried to draw a rectangle and, after setting the
first 2 points, I changed the view using one of the view commands from the 1st and
4th choices above. I got the following results when drawing this rectangle (I hope
the table below comes through in this note. I couldn't format it any better):
IMPACT ON DRAWING COMAND
----------------------------------------------------------
VIEW COMMAND 1st CHOICE 4th CHOICE
------------ -------------------------- --------------------------
Zoom Area resumes after right click resumes after right click
Zoom In/Out resumes after right click resumes after right click
Zoom Extents disables command resumes after right click
(See Note 1)
Zoom Tool disables command NA
Pan resumes after right click See Note 2
Previous View resumes after right click NA
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
1. But only if the new rectangle location is inside of the previous Extents view
area. The new rectangle location is not recognized by the Extent command so you
may not be able to actually see where the 3rd point is set.
2. Allowed the first 2 points to be set. But immediately upon executing the Pan
command, the rectangle was completed without my clicking on the 3rd point. Hence,
I didn’t have a choice as to where that point was set.
Thirdly, if the drawing command extends beyond the edge of the screen, you must
use the Pan command to move the view. It would be much better if the view recognized
the command extent and changed with the cursor.
From the above experience, I believe I’ve found the best of the available choices.
I’m now using the 4th choice but assigning a speed key for Pan and Previous View.
This combination seems to avoid command disruption most of the time.
Finally, I would like to see the view command options reduced and working smoothly
without disabling the active command.
Ron




Ronald W Latour
3 REPLIES

Re: VIEW COMMAND PROBLEMS

Ronald,
I got a little lost in your options description but understood enough to
give my input:
First, most "experienced" SE users use option #4. All your view
manipulation options can be taken care of with these 3 keys and they never
interrupt your current command. After a little time you'll be using these 3
keys subconciously without even thinking about them. I even find myself
trying to use these keys in other applications because it is so habitual.
Panning can also be done with these keys so the 2nd speed key should not be
necessary.
Second, and most importantly you appear to still be laying out your
rectangle with an Autocad mentality. It seems like you are trying to click
on the exact 3 points to place the rectangle and when it fails you start
over. When your points are spread out like you describe it might be better
to just approximately place the rectangle then connect the points. Or, at
least select the first 1 or 2 points, zoom out, approx place the 3rd then
connect the 3rd. I can't be certain without seeing the layout.
Finally, you may or may not know that SE will snap to the intersectin of 2
lines. After you pass your cursor over the 2 lines you hit "I" and it will
find the intersection point. The acronym to remember is M.I.C.E. which
stands for Midpoint, Intersection, Center and Endpoint. Hover your cursor
over some geometry and hit one of the 4 keys and SE will snap to the
appropriate point.


"Ronald W Latour" wrote in message
news:4a22a633$1@bbsnotes.ugs.com...
>
> After trying to draw a rectangle using points created by a series of busy
> intersecting
> lines that necessitated zooming in very close and than back out, I decided
> to complain.
> I've even tried creating 3 different views at the 3 places where I needed
> to set
> the rectangle corners. When I did, Intellisketch became unstable and
> failed to
> identify the two intersecting lines at the 3rd corner.
>
> Assuming my download is functioning properly, I don't like the view
> control commands.
> First, there are too many different ways to chose, i.e.:
> 1. from the lower right menu, from the upper ribbon bar,
> 2. from the Zoom Tool via settings within Options,
> 3. from speed keys listed within Help and
> 4. speed keys using the right mouse button depressed while pressing some
> combination of Shift/Ctrl/Alt.
>
> Secondly, I couldn't find any one choice that allows all necessary view
> manipulations
> without at least one of the view commands disabling a drawing command when
> executed
> in midstream. As an example, I tried to draw a rectangle and, after
> setting the
> first 2 points, I changed the view using one of the view commands from the
> 1st and
> 4th choices above. I got the following results when drawing this
> rectangle (I hope
> the table below comes through in this note. I couldn't format it any
> better):
>
> IMPACT ON DRAWING COMAND
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> VIEW COMMAND 1st CHOICE 4th CHOICE
> ------------ -------------------------- --------------------------
> Zoom Area resumes after right click resumes after right click
> Zoom In/Out resumes after right click resumes after right click
> Zoom Extents disables command resumes after right click
> (See Note 1)
> Zoom Tool disables command NA
> Pan resumes after right click See Note 2
> Previous View resumes after right click NA
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 1. But only if the new rectangle location is inside of the previous
> Extents view
> area. The new rectangle location is not recognized by the Extent command
> so you
> may not be able to actually see where the 3rd point is set.
>
> 2. Allowed the first 2 points to be set. But immediately upon executing
> the Pan
> command, the rectangle was completed without my clicking on the 3rd point.
> Hence,
> I didn't have a choice as to where that point was set.
>
> Thirdly, if the drawing command extends beyond the edge of the screen, you
> must
> use the Pan command to move the view. It would be much better if the view
> recognized
> the command extent and changed with the cursor.
>
> From the above experience, I believe I've found the best of the available
> choices.
> I'm now using the 4th choice but assigning a speed key for Pan and
> Previous View.
> This combination seems to avoid command disruption most of the time.
>
> Finally, I would like to see the view command options reduced and working
> smoothly
> without disabling the active command.
>
> Ron
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Ronald W Latour


Re: VIEW COMMAND PROBLEMS


David, it was in an exchange with you several months ago that I learned about choice
"4". I started using it exclusively but found it problematic as I descibed. Sometimes
it worked smoothly as you say and other times, the command would die. Also, I found
that the Previous View often didn't change the view as if it didn't recognize what
was going on with choice 4. As you can see from the effort I put into descibing
the issue that I hadn't found a good solution.
But, at least, I've found out that it should work. So when it starts giving me
problems, I'll close and reopen the file. Sometimes that seems to work.
Re Autocad mentality, I've never used it. I'm a user of IMSI Autocad 3D Max and
Google Sketchup. Neither of these allow using dimensions to drive the shape of
the geometry. Admittedly, I'm not yet comfortable using this feature.
Re my difficulty with the Rectangle connecting the points, see the thread: OFFSETTING
TO AN UNSPECIFIED DISTANCE. That issue caused me to try the Rectangle command instead
the Offset command.
Re MICE, yes I use that alot because it is similar, in that regard, to the IMSI
product. However, I've found it doesn't respond as well to the projection portion
of construction lines as well as it does to the "real" part of a line. It takes
it a little longer for the Intellisketch to pick up on the situation.
Thanks,
Ron

"David L Rieschick" wrote:
>Ronald,
>
>I got a little lost in your options description but understood enough to
>give my input:
>
>First, most "experienced" SE users use option #4. All your view
>manipulation options can be taken care of with these 3 keys and they never
>
>interrupt your current command. After a little time you'll be using these
>3
>keys subconciously without even thinking about them. I even find myself
>trying to use these keys in other applications because it is so habitual.
>
>Panning can also be done with these keys so the 2nd speed key should not be
>
>necessary.
>
>Second, and most importantly you appear to still be laying out your
>rectangle with an Autocad mentality. It seems like you are trying to click
>
>on the exact 3 points to place the rectangle and when it fails you start
>over. When your points are spread out like you describe it might be better
>
>to just approximately place the rectangle then connect the points. Or, at
>
>least select the first 1 or 2 points, zoom out, approx place the 3rd then
>
>connect the 3rd. I can't be certain without seeing the layout.
>
>Finally, you may or may not know that SE will snap to the intersectin of 2
>
>lines. After you pass your cursor over the 2 lines you hit "I" and it will
>
>find the intersection point. The acronym to remember is M.I.C.E. which
>stands for Midpoint, Intersection, Center and Endpoint. Hover your cursor
>
>over some geometry and hit one of the 4 keys and SE will snap to the
>appropriate point.
>
>
>
>
>
>"Ronald W Latour" wrote in message
>news:4a22a633$1@bbsnotes.ugs.com...
>>
>> After trying to draw a rectangle using points created by a series of busy

>
>> intersecting
>> lines that necessitated zooming in very close and than back out, I decided

>
>> to complain.
>> I've even tried creating 3 different views at the 3 places where I needed

>
>> to set
>> the rectangle corners. When I did, Intellisketch became unstable and
>> failed to
>> identify the two intersecting lines at the 3rd corner.
>>
>> Assuming my download is functioning properly, I don't like the view
>> control commands.
>> First, there are too many different ways to chose, i.e.:
>> 1. from the lower right menu, from the upper ribbon bar,
>> 2. from the Zoom Tool via settings within Options,
>> 3. from speed keys listed within Help and
>> 4. speed keys using the right mouse button depressed while pressing some
>> combination of Shift/Ctrl/Alt.
>>
>> Secondly, I couldn't find any one choice that allows all necessary view

>
>> manipulations
>> without at least one of the view commands disabling a drawing command when

>
>> executed
>> in midstream. As an example, I tried to draw a rectangle and, after
>> setting the
>> first 2 points, I changed the view using one of the view commands from the

>
>> 1st and
>> 4th choices above. I got the following results when drawing this
>> rectangle (I hope
>> the table below comes through in this note. I couldn't format it any
>> better):
>>
>> IMPACT ON DRAWING COMAND
>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>> VIEW COMMAND 1st CHOICE 4th CHOICE
>> ------------ -------------------------- --------------------------
>> Zoom Area resumes after right click resumes after right click
>> Zoom In/Out resumes after right click resumes after right click
>> Zoom Extents disables command resumes after right click
>> (See Note 1)
>> Zoom Tool disables command NA
>> Pan resumes after right click See Note 2
>> Previous View resumes after right click NA
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> 1. But only if the new rectangle location is inside of the previous
>> Extents view
>> area. The new rectangle location is not recognized by the Extent command

>
>> so you
>> may not be able to actually see where the 3rd point is set.
>>
>> 2. Allowed the first 2 points to be set. But immediately upon executing

>
>> the Pan
>> command, the rectangle was completed without my clicking on the 3rd point.

>
>> Hence,
>> I didn't have a choice as to where that point was set.
>>
>> Thirdly, if the drawing command extends beyond the edge of the screen, you

>
>> must
>> use the Pan command to move the view. It would be much better if the view

>
>> recognized
>> the command extent and changed with the cursor.
>>
>> From the above experience, I believe I've found the best of the available

>
>> choices.
>> I'm now using the 4th choice but assigning a speed key for Pan and
>> Previous View.
>> This combination seems to avoid command disruption most of the time.
>>
>> Finally, I would like to see the view command options reduced and working

>
>> smoothly
>> without disabling the active command.
>>
>> Ron
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Ronald W Latour

>
>
Ronald W Latour

Re: VIEW COMMAND PROBLEMS

It could be that Previous Window and option 4 methodology do not work
together. I don't use Previous Window so I would never have experience this
issue.
David
"Ronald W Latour" wrote in message
news:4a241f1a$1@bbsnotes.ugs.com...
>
> David, it was in an exchange with you several months ago that I learned
> about choice
> "4". I started using it exclusively but found it problematic as I
> descibed. Sometimes
> it worked smoothly as you say and other times, the command would die.
> Also, I found
> that the Previous View often didn't change the view as if it didn't
> recognize what
> was going on with choice 4. As you can see from the effort I put into
> descibing
> the issue that I hadn't found a good solution.
>
> But, at least, I've found out that it should work. So when it starts
> giving me
> problems, I'll close and reopen the file. Sometimes that seems to work.
>
> Re Autocad mentality, I've never used it. I'm a user of IMSI Autocad 3D
> Max and
> Google Sketchup. Neither of these allow using dimensions to drive the
> shape of
> the geometry. Admittedly, I'm not yet comfortable using this feature.
>
> Re my difficulty with the Rectangle connecting the points, see the thread:
> OFFSETTING
> TO AN UNSPECIFIED DISTANCE. That issue caused me to try the Rectangle
> command instead
> the Offset command.
>
> Re MICE, yes I use that alot because it is similar, in that regard, to the
> IMSI
> product. However, I've found it doesn't respond as well to the projection
> portion
> of construction lines as well as it does to the "real" part of a line. It
> takes
> it a little longer for the Intellisketch to pick up on the situation.
>
> Thanks,
> Ron
>
>
> "David L Rieschick" wrote:
>>Ronald,
>>
>>I got a little lost in your options description but understood enough to
>>give my input:
>>
>>First, most "experienced" SE users use option #4. All your view
>>manipulation options can be taken care of with these 3 keys and they never
>>
>>interrupt your current command. After a little time you'll be using these
>>3
>>keys subconciously without even thinking about them. I even find myself
>>trying to use these keys in other applications because it is so habitual.
>>
>>Panning can also be done with these keys so the 2nd speed key should not
>>be
>>
>>necessary.
>>
>>Second, and most importantly you appear to still be laying out your
>>rectangle with an Autocad mentality. It seems like you are trying to
>>click
>>
>>on the exact 3 points to place the rectangle and when it fails you start
>>over. When your points are spread out like you describe it might be
>>better
>>
>>to just approximately place the rectangle then connect the points. Or, at
>>
>>least select the first 1 or 2 points, zoom out, approx place the 3rd then
>>
>>connect the 3rd. I can't be certain without seeing the layout.
>>
>>Finally, you may or may not know that SE will snap to the intersectin of 2
>>
>>lines. After you pass your cursor over the 2 lines you hit "I" and it
>>will
>>
>>find the intersection point. The acronym to remember is M.I.C.E. which
>>stands for Midpoint, Intersection, Center and Endpoint. Hover your cursor
>>
>>over some geometry and hit one of the 4 keys and SE will snap to the
>>appropriate point.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>"Ronald W Latour" wrote in message
>>news:4a22a633$1@bbsnotes.ugs.com...
>>>
>>> After trying to draw a rectangle using points created by a series of
>>> busy

>>
>>> intersecting
>>> lines that necessitated zooming in very close and than back out, I
>>> decided

>>
>>> to complain.
>>> I've even tried creating 3 different views at the 3 places where I
>>> needed

>>
>>> to set
>>> the rectangle corners. When I did, Intellisketch became unstable and
>>> failed to
>>> identify the two intersecting lines at the 3rd corner.
>>>
>>> Assuming my download is functioning properly, I don't like the view
>>> control commands.
>>> First, there are too many different ways to chose, i.e.:
>>> 1. from the lower right menu, from the upper ribbon bar,
>>> 2. from the Zoom Tool via settings within Options,
>>> 3. from speed keys listed within Help and
>>> 4. speed keys using the right mouse button depressed while pressing some
>>> combination of Shift/Ctrl/Alt.
>>>
>>> Secondly, I couldn't find any one choice that allows all necessary view

>>
>>> manipulations
>>> without at least one of the view commands disabling a drawing command
>>> when

>>
>>> executed
>>> in midstream. As an example, I tried to draw a rectangle and, after
>>> setting the
>>> first 2 points, I changed the view using one of the view commands from
>>> the

>>
>>> 1st and
>>> 4th choices above. I got the following results when drawing this
>>> rectangle (I hope
>>> the table below comes through in this note. I couldn't format it any
>>> better):
>>>
>>> IMPACT ON DRAWING COMAND
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>>> VIEW COMMAND 1st CHOICE 4th CHOICE
>>> ------------ -------------------------- --------------------------
>>> Zoom Area resumes after right click resumes after right click
>>> Zoom In/Out resumes after right click resumes after right click
>>> Zoom Extents disables command resumes after right click
>>> (See Note 1)
>>> Zoom Tool disables command NA
>>> Pan resumes after right click See Note 2
>>> Previous View resumes after right click NA
>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> 1. But only if the new rectangle location is inside of the previous
>>> Extents view
>>> area. The new rectangle location is not recognized by the Extent
>>> command

>>
>>> so you
>>> may not be able to actually see where the 3rd point is set.
>>>
>>> 2. Allowed the first 2 points to be set. But immediately upon executing

>>
>>> the Pan
>>> command, the rectangle was completed without my clicking on the 3rd
>>> point.

>>
>>> Hence,
>>> I didn't have a choice as to where that point was set.
>>>
>>> Thirdly, if the drawing command extends beyond the edge of the screen,
>>> you

>>
>>> must
>>> use the Pan command to move the view. It would be much better if the
>>> view

>>
>>> recognized
>>> the command extent and changed with the cursor.
>>>
>>> From the above experience, I believe I've found the best of the
>>> available

>>
>>> choices.
>>> I'm now using the 4th choice but assigning a speed key for Pan and
>>> Previous View.
>>> This combination seems to avoid command disruption most of the time.
>>>
>>> Finally, I would like to see the view command options reduced and
>>> working

>>
>>> smoothly
>>> without disabling the active command.
>>>
>>> Ron
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ronald W Latour

>>
>>
>
> Ronald W Latour