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Can't change direction of counterbore placement in synchronous

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I'm trying to place a counterbore on a wedge shaped part. The hole needs to be perpendicular to the face it will bolted against, so the larger diameter of the counterbore will be at an angle to the outer face of the wedge. The counterbore command won't let me place the bore the right way round. The only way it shows me has the larger bore against the mating face which is no good. The threaded end of the bolt would be sticking out on the wrong side.
I can't just approach the face from the other side, it doesn't flip the ghost counterbore that way, even if I rotate the work and then retry the command.
I tried placing a sketch plane at the correct distance from the mating face so I could place the counterbore internal step on it. This works sort of - but I still can't choose which direction it is placed and naturally it's the wrong way. I can't see any option to change the direction or flip the bore. Trying to place it and then rotate it doesn't seem easy or successful. I seem to be stuck - can anyone help me?!
Thx

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Re: Can't change direction of counterbore placement in synchronous

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In the end I sketched 2 circles on a parallel plane, then extruded each circle in different directions to get the counterbore. But I can't believe this is what you are supposed to do. I'd love to know where I went wrong....

Re: Can't change direction of counterbore placement in synchronous

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Using the counterbore command I chose a parallel plane and placed the
profile on it with a 'through next' option. A direction choice arrow
was shown before I finalised the feature. If I understand you correctly
this is what you were trying to achieve but yes it could be easier. Eg
placing the hole by it's centre could be tricky.
I hope that makes sense and helps. If not let me know and i'll make
short video.
Frank Mill
On 14/01/2014 04:33, jena.amin@gmail.com wrote:
>
> I'm trying to place a counterbore on a wedge shaped part. The hole needs
> to be perpendicular to the face it will bolted against, so the larger
> diameter of the counterbore will be at an angle to the outer face of the
> wedge. The counterbore command won't let me place the bore the right way
> round. The only way it shows me has the larger bore against the mating
> face which is no good. The threaded end of the bolt would be sticking
> out on the wrong side.
>
> I tried placing a sketch plane at the correct distance from the mating
> face so I could place the counterbore internal step on it. This works
> sort of - but I still can't choose which direction it is placed and
> naturally it's the wrong way. I can't see any option to change the
> direction or flip the bore. Trying to place it and then rotate it
> doesn't seem easy or successful. I seem to be stuck - can anyone help
> me?!
>
> Thx
>
>

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Re: Can't change direction of counterbore placement in synchronous

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Hi Jena,
Try creating the hole on a parallel "reference plane", then in "Hole Options" alter the direction setting to extend the counter bore diameter above the plane.
Sean Cresswell
Design Manager Streetscape Ltd
Solid Edge ST10 [MP6] Classic [x2 seats]
Windows 10 - Quadro P2000

Re: Can't change direction of counterbore placement in synchronous

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In all the year's I've been using SE I never noticed the (obvious)
option to extend the counterbore above the plane. Sheesh.

On 16/01/2014 19:31, SeanCresswell wrote:
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> Hi Jena,
>
> Try creating the hole on a parallel "reference plane", then in "Hole
> Options" alter the direction setting to extend the counter bore diameter
> above the plane.
>
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Re: Can't change direction of counterbore placement in synchronous

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In all the year's I've been using SE I never noticed the (obvious)
option to extend the counterbore above the plane. Sheesh.< fmsdetails="">< sanderson-building="" buildings="" maps="" www.ed.ac.uk="">

Hiding in plane sight.....! They normally get me. ;-)
Sean Cresswell
Design Manager Streetscape Ltd
Solid Edge ST10 [MP6] Classic [x2 seats]
Windows 10 - Quadro P2000

Re: Can't change direction of counterbore placement in synchronous

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Hi Jena,

Try creating the hole on a parallel "reference plane", then in "Hole Options" alter the direction setting to extend the counter bore diameter above the plane.



As I said, that's what I tried when my first attempt failed. And I just couldn't get it to place the counterbore the right orientation. It didn't matter what I tried. Perhaps if I rotated the whole base coordinate system it might behave differently but that would be silly. Try it - you just need to create a wedge shape and try to place a counterbore. Then put a reference plane parallel to where you want it and see if you can choose the orientation. I could attach the model I was struggling with if you like? It's very frustrating!

Re: Can't change direction of counterbore placement in synchronous

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Jena,
I meant parallel from the main reference planes, but if the part was at an odd placement from them, you'd need to be a bit more creative.
You could also use an extruded surface to utilize as the construction plane.
Could be a good idea to attach your part here, then I can try to show you what I mean.
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Sean Cresswell
Design Manager Streetscape Ltd
Solid Edge ST10 [MP6] Classic [x2 seats]
Windows 10 - Quadro P2000

Re: Can't change direction of counterbore placement in synchronous

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Here's a version with a plane 6mm from the mounting face. I've also drawn a construction line in the middle of the plane using 2 midpoints. If I try to use the counterbore function with this line/face, I can only get the counterbore to go in the wrong direction. I gave up in the end and drew 2 concentric circles on that line then extruded each in different directions. Can you see how to do it with the counterbore function?

Funny that it will allow uploading of .prt files but not .par!!

Re: Can't change direction of counterbore placement in synchronous

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Here's a version with a plane 6mm from the mounting face. I've also drawn a construction line in the middle of the plane using 2 midpoints. If I try to use the counterbore function with this line/face, I can only get the counterbore to go in the wrong direction. I gave up in the end and drew 2 concentric circles on that line then extruded each in different directions. Can you see how to do it with the counterbore function?
Funny that it will allow uploading of .prt files but not .par!!


Hi Jena,
There are some odd things about the way this site handles things alright.
OK, looking at your part,....if you select the offset plane you have already placed, then select the steering wheel torus to then rotate it through 180 degrees, then place the counterbores on this plane as desired, the orientation should be correct now.
Sean Cresswell
Design Manager Streetscape Ltd
Solid Edge ST10 [MP6] Classic [x2 seats]
Windows 10 - Quadro P2000