We are in the process of rationalising our CAD files to a central location and are pondering a better way of managing them. We have used Insight in the past and then wasted several years trying to get Teamcenter to work and then jacked that in. Since then we have been using an unmanaged environment.
Now we are aware of the new built-in data management tools in ST9 and are wondering how good they might be. Our situation is probably a bit different from most of you guys in that we are an engineering department in a steel mill and our design efforts are more to do with working on and continuously improving the plant and machinery - rather than producing discrete products. As such, over a decade or so we have built up a large number of 3D models of the plant. These models are continuously updated from project to project.
So our question is this: has anybody used the built-in data management tools in ST9? What are the limitations and has anybody reached them? Or would it be better to consider Solid Edge SP (SharePoint)? Don't mention Teamcenter!
Good morning Chris,
We used Insight for about 6 to 7 years and for the past 4 years we are using Solid Edge SP. So unfortunately I can't comment on the new built-in data management tools.
My question to you is the following. Why did you guys move away from Insight in the first place?
BiDM relies on:
@TheodoreTurner, we found that Insight was becoming unreliable with the volumes of data we had. We had problems with the checking in and out processes and would sometimes lose data as a result. We moved away from Insight when we thought that Teamcenter would be the way to go. While testing workflows and getting data ready for migration to Teamcenter we ditched Insight and reverted to an un-managed environment.
@swertel, I note your recent blog. So I take it you are using BiDM yourself? Other than the comments in your reply, are there any show-stoppers or nasty surprises? How does it handle large models with or without a lot of inter-part links, etc.? Does it slow down (more than expected)?
I can't find it right now, but I've seen a list with both Insight and SE for Sharepoint marked as 'obsolete' or 'phased out'. That leaves us with Teamcenter and BiDM with quite a gap in between if you ask me. We also had a painful Teamcenter (Express) experience. Can you tell me what version you tried? Because our reseller is pushing it again and says it's a lot better and easier now...
We now are an early adopter of BiDM. It isn't a full PDM system, but a set of tools integrated in Solid Edge. It doesn't use a database. Your files remain in Windows folders. It is easy to give it a try with some test data, as there is not a lot to setup or configure.
What we use:
What we don't use:
In ST10 some new functionality will be added:
There are some issues with BiDM however:
Hope this helps.
My employer has, what I would classify as, a failed Teamcenter implementation. Our CAD data never even made it into the migration stage. Therefore, we've had unmanaged CAD data the entire 16+ years of using Solid Edge here.