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SCADAS Recorder in standalone mode?

Experimenter
Experimenter

We have a SCADAS recorder we have never used in several years.  Want to makes some measurements on a bike, but don’t have room for a laptop, a mouse, etc to run LMS Test.Lab.

 

How do I set this up?  Have some stuff that came with the recorder: a compact flash, compact flash reader, an Android Tablet, and some other bits and ends.

 

Also, can the recorder be setup to trigger on an event, like a voltage going high on a channel?

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Re: SCADAS Recorder in standalone mode?

Siemens Phenom Siemens Phenom
Siemens Phenom

To save a recorder template, go into Testlab Signature Acquisition or Spectral Testing (Signature Acquisition has more setup options).  Setup the test using Channel Setup, Tracking Setup, Acquisition Setup or Test Setup.    You can set a start condition to be speed or  a trigger on any channel.   If you need GPS or CANBus channels, make sure those are setup.


Then go to the Navigator worksheet and go to File, Save Standalone Recording Template.  You can verify the settings there as shown here.

 

 

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 This will create some files, a *.rdf recorder template, and some boot files (BOOT.DSP and BOOTSYS.DSP).  Move those 3 files onto the compact flash card, it's best to make sure those are the only files on it.

 

Then Shut the Scadas OFF, insert the compact flash card, unplug Ethernet and turn the Scadas ON and it will boot from the compact flash card.  Depending on version of Scadas a light near the compact flash card either below it or the left of it will turn ON indicating it has booted from the Compact flash card.   Then use Start / Stop or Record button to record data.

 

You can also use the Smartcontrol App on a tablet to control the test, see data and choose which template to use.


Afterwards, browse to the compact flash card in Testlab and right click on the *.trp files to Import into the active project with the Add-In for Standalone Recording turned on.

 

There are some good FAQs installed with Testlab rev 17 and 18 and also on the GTAC  site:

 

https://solutions.industrysoftware.automation.siemens.com/view.php?sort=desc&p=1&q=compact+flash&fil...

 

https://solutions.industrysoftware.automation.siemens.com/view.php?sort=desc&q=recorder&dt=faq&pd=lm...

 

Re: SCADAS Recorder in standalone mode?

Siemens Experimenter Siemens Experimenter
Siemens Experimenter

To add a little more detail to Kevin's reply:

 

The SCADAS Recorder and Android Tablet can be used to do these standalone measurements.  The following items are needed:

  1. SCADAS Recorder - Has a slot for a Compact Flash on the controller card
  2. Android Tablet with Smart Control App
  3. Bluetooth Antenna
  4. Compact Flash card and USB based Compact Flash reader

To set it up and use it, the following will be done:

  1. Create Standalone Template – With the SCADAS Recorder plugged into Testlab laptop via Ethernet, and Compact Flash plugged in separately via USB, create a standalone recording template to put on Compact Flash
  2. Record Standalone with Tablet – After removing the Ethernet connection, the SCADAS is powered up with the Standalone Template on the Compact Flash in the SCADAS. The Smart Control App can be used on the Android Tablet to start, stop, and view data
  3. Import Standalone Data in Testlab – Compact Flash is removed from the SCADAS, attached to the Testlab PC via USB reader, and data imported into Simcenter Testlab for processing

Here are the steps in more detail:

Step 1 - Create Standalone Template

Goal is to make a template from Simcenter Testlab that can be used in Standalone recording mode.

  • Plug Compact Flash into PC via USB
  • Plug SCADAS Recorder (without Compact Flash) into PC via Ethernet

Setup with PC Connection.png

 

    • Start Simcenter Testlab Signature
    • Under “Tools -> Add-ins”, make sure “Standalone Recording” add-in is checked on
    • Setup Channels as desired (PointIds, ICP or Voltage, Calibration factors) in Channel Setup worksheet
    • Set Sampling Rate in Acquisition Setup worksheet
    • Set measurement duration in Tracking Setup worksheet
    • Choose “File -> Save as Standalone Recording template” from main Testlab menu to write template on Compact Flash. This can be done from any worksheet (Measure, Documentation, etc) other than the Channel Setup worksheet.

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  • The Save Standalone Recording menu will show the settings for the template. It will give info like the channel setup, bandwidth, and start/stop conditions.

Recording template.png

 

Looking through Windows explorer, the template file should be on the compact flash.  It is the name that was entered with a *.rdf extension.  There will also be two files; one called BOOT.DSP and another called BOOTSYS.DSP. These files need to stay on the compact flash.

Compact Flash.png

 

 

If there is only one template on the Compact Flash, when the SCADAS boots up in standalone mode, it will automatically activate that template.  If there is more than one template written on the frontend (different names) then the template that comes first alphabetically will be automatically be used.  If Smart Control App is being used, then the template can be changed/selected via the tablet interface.

Step 2 - Record Standalone with Tablet

Using the Smart Control App on the android tablet, the acquisition can be started and stopped.  Data can also be viewed, and gains adjusted (in case of overload or underload).

  • Turn off the SCADAS recorder, insert the Compact Flash, and turn on the SCADAS Recorder
  • Make sure the Bluetooth antenna is plugged in

Recording mode.png

 

  • Make sure the SCADAS Recorder and Android tablet are paired via Bluetooth
  • Start the Smart Control App
  • In the main screen, there are two sections: Templates (where acquisition can be started, acquisition templated edited) and Runs (for viewing already acquired data)

Smart Control Interface.png

 

  • Press the button called “Scope” next to the template to acquire data
  • Press Start to take data.
  • While scoping or measuring data, views like Strip Chart can be useful

To setup a trigger on a data channel, exit to the main screen, highlight the template, and press “Edit” in the upper right.

  • Scroll over to Measurement setup screen
  • Set start trigger to a level, specify the channel, and set a pretrigger
  • Change the Number of Runs higher than 1.

Smart Control Measurement Settings.png

 

Acquire as many runs as needed.  They will be stored on the compact flash.  If the name of the template was “brake”, run names will be called “brake001.trp”, “brake002.trp”, etc

Step 3 – Import data from Compact Flash into Simcenter Testlab

The trp time files on the compact flash can be imported into Simcenter Testlab as runs:

  • Attached the compact flash to the Testlab PC via usb reader
  • Start Simcenter Testlab Desktop
  • In Navigator, under “My Computer” find the data on the compact flash
  • In the middle pane (where multi-select is possible), choose all the runs to import. Right click and choose “Import into Active Project”.

Import into Active Section.png

 

You are done.

Re: SCADAS Recorder in standalone mode?

Experimenter
Experimenter

Thanks for the helpful guides!

 

I have two more questions:

 

1.  When I try to make the bluetooth connection from the tablet to ScadasRecorder, it wants a pin/code.  What is the pin?

 

2.  I have a 16 Gb Compact Flash.   Can I get a bigger one?

Re: SCADAS Recorder in standalone mode?

Siemens Legend Siemens Legend
Siemens Legend

Hi,

The pin is "scadas".

 

Here are a list of recommended compact flash card:

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How old is your scadas recorder?  If it's first generation you can only use the 16GB, or you can get a hardware update from our office which allow you to use higher capacity CF.  The easiest way to check which scadas recorder you have is run a scadas diagnostic report, then check HV(hardware version) of the SYSCPB is >= 2 as shown in the image below:

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If SYSCPB is >= 2 then you can use the higher capacity CF.

 

 

Hong